Marguerie
   The "Marguerie" surname was first found in Languedoc, in the south of France, where the family has been a prominent family for centuries, and were seated with lands and manor. The family's Coat of Arms is Gold with three red roses, leafed green.
   Our earliest-known ancestor in this line, FRANÇOIS MARGUERIE, was born in 1590 in St Vincent, a part of Rouen, on the River Seine in the north of France. Rouen is the capital of the region of Normandy, and was one of the largest and most prosperous cities of medieval Europe. It was the seat of the Exchequer of Normandy in the Middle Ages, and one of the capitals of the Anglo-Norman dynasties, which ruled both England and large parts of modern France from the 11th to the 15th centuries. Rouen then became one of the Norman cradles of the artistic Renaissance, in particular the one under the patronage of the archbishops and financiers of the town.
   But by the time that François was born, Rouen had changed, mainly because of the French Wars of Religion. Rouen was a Catholic City, but on 15 April 1562 the Protestants entered the town hall and ejected the King's personal representative, followed by an outbreak of Iconoclasm (statue smashing). On 10 May the Catholic members of the town council fled Rouen, holing up in the Fort of Saint Catherine which overlooked the town. Both sides resorted to terror tactics.
   The Protestant town authorities requested help from Queen Elizabeth I of England, and she sent troops to support the Protestants. On 26 October 1562 French Royalist troops retook Rouen and pillaged it for three days in a very un-Christian fashion.
   The war went on for decades. Rouen was attacked on several occasions by Henry IV, but it resisted, notably during the siege of December 1591 to May 1592, with the help of a Spanish army led by the Duke of Parma.

Romain
   François escaped the violence and invading armies and actually grew into a man of substance: a bougeouse, an oar maker and maritime merchant. He married a woman named MARTHE ROMAIN, born on 25 Jul 1589 in St Vincent. Romain is an important name in France because the name of a varietal of red wine grape from Burgundy. It's also a personal name Romain that derives from the Italian "Roma" (Rome) and was borne by a 7th Century bishop of Rouen (France)... which is the very city that our Romain ancestors hail from, although there's no proof of a clear descendancy.
   Because of the strife in their town (King Henry was assassinated by a Catholic fanatic the year before their first child was born), when François and Marthe had children of their own, they looked to set them up in a new land, with new promise and opportunities (although it would prove to be no less dangerous). Their destination was called "New France." Today we call it Canada. François was a member of the "Compagnie des Marchands de Rouen et de Saint-Malo," formed by Samuel Champlain in 1614 to colonize Québec and corner the American fur trade, and his children would be instrumental in the plan. Their children were:

CHILDREN OF François MARGUERIE AND MARTHE ROMAIN

  • FRANÇOIS MARGUERIE was christened on 22 Oct 1612 in Saint-Vincent-de-Rouen, France. He went to "New France" as early as 1615, and at least by 1626, and became a legend. François was regarded by the people of the First Nations as the European who had most thoroughly learned their language and customs—they called him the 'double man'—he could pass as European or Indigenous. He served as one of New France's interpreters, being able to read and write French, Latin, and English, and speak Huron, Algonquin, and Iroquois. On 28 Mar 1636, François, who had gone to winter with the Hurons, brought four of the tribe to meet with Jesuit missionaries, who were "deeply astonished to see that a young man like him, only twenty to twenty-two years old, had the courage to follow the Savages, over ice and snow, and through forests, forty successive days, and for the space of some three hundred leagues, -carrying, dragging, and working as much as, and more than any of his band, for these Barbarians, having arrived at their halting place, made him get ready their meal, while they warmed themselves and rested." He married Louise Cloutier (1632-1699) on 26 Oct 1645 in Québec. The Jesuits recorded his death: "While crossing the great River opposite three Rivers, in a Savage Canoe, they were drowned in sight of the French, without its being possible to render them any assistance. Both were brave and Skillful; and, what is to be prized above all, they led, in the opinion of the whole country, a most innocent life. A storm suddenly arose; their bark canoe, which was worthless, split open and caused them to lose their lives." He died on 23 May 1648 in Trois-Rivières, Québec, leaving no children, and was buried on 10 Jun 1648.
  • MARIE MARGUERIE¹ was christened on 12 Sep 1620 in St Vincent, Rouen, Normandie, France. In 1639, she would follow her brother to "New France." On 23 Aug 1641 she married (1) Jacques Hertel (1603-1651) at Trois-Rivières, Québec, and they had the following children: Marguerite (1649-1711), Marie Madeleine (1645-1679), and François Hertel (1642-1722). She died on 26 Nov 1700 in Trois-Rivières, Québec (SOURCE: Gabriel Drouin, comp. Drouin Collection. Montréal, Québec, Canada: Institut Généalogique Drouin²).
  •    Marie Marguerie was baptized at St Vincent Cathedral in Rouen, France on 12 September 1620. Her godparents were Nicolas Duchemin and Marie Marguerie. St Vincent's had been completed only a few years before, and featured the finest stained glass windows in the city (the cathedral was destroyed by bombing in World War II but the windows were stored in 1939 and can now be seen in the modernistic Church of Joan of Arc in Rouen).
       In 1637, Marie's brother François MARGUERIE had settled at JACQUES HERTEL's trading post at Trois-Rivières (Three Rivers), Québec, located on the north shore of the Saint Lawrence River at the confluence with the Saint-Maurice River. Trois-Rivières had been founded on July 4, 1634, the second permanent settlement in New France, after Québec City. The settlers enclosed the town in a stone palisade as protection from local Algonquin and Abenaki tribes. François and Hertel became close through the course of their interactions in this frontier outpost, and François must have interested Hertel in marrying his 18-year-old sister Marie. François arranged for her to sail from Rouen to New France in the summer of 1639. The passage, made in the late spring, was difficult—one tenth of all passengers en route to New France died on the Atlantic.
       After her privileged life in France, the sight of Québec in 1640 must have been a shock to Marie. Trois-Rivières was still a raw untamed place, with only a handful of inhabitants, less than half of them European, including rough French trappers, many living with indigenous wives with mixed children, and a handful of government officials and military officers. To make matters worse, in February 1641 her brother François was captured by Iroquois while hunting. In May over 500 warriors headed toward Trois-Rivières, surrounding the trading post. On 5 June the Iroquois sent François across the Saint Lawrence River to parlay with the commandant of the fort. The inhabitants of the town were flabbergasted to see him; they had given him up for dead. François had to return to captivity until the Governor of New France could come down river from Quebec to negotiate the peace treaty desired by the Iroquois. After his arrival, preliminary negotiations resulted in François being freed as a goodwill gesture.
       With life returning to normal (for the frontier, anyway), Jacques Hertel dit Lafresniere (full title) finally signed a contract, notarized by Martial Piraube, to marry Marie Marguerie on 23 Aug 1641. A year later, she and Hertel had a son, who was named François after Marie's brother. Their family grew:

    CHILDREN OF MARIE MARGUERIE AND JACQUES HERTEL

  • FRANÇOIS HERTEL was born on 3 Jul 1642 in Trois-Rivières, Québec. On 26 Aug 1657, at age 15, François enlisted in the local militia. In July 1661, François was captured by the Iroquois and severely tortured. He smuggled letters out to the Jesuit missionaries in the area, pleading with them "...My Father, I pray you, bless the hand that writes to you, which has had one finger burnt in a Calumet as reparation to the Majesty of God, whom I have offended. The other hand has a thumb cut off, but do not tell my poor Mother." On 22 Sep 1664 he married Marguerite de Thavenet (b. 1646) at Montreal, then returned to Trois-Rivières, where he served as an Iroquois interpreter as well as being a member of the local garrison. In 1680 Governor of New France gave François Hertel command of all the tribes who were allies of the French. To counter continuing the hit-and-run raids the settlers were constantly subject to, François developed surprise attack tactics using the Indians' own methods of silent approach. In 1690 the governor of New France decided to retaliate against a perceived British-sponsored atrocity at Lachine. Three columns would be sent to lay waste to British settlements. François assembled a party consisting of 25 French, many of them his relatives, including his three eldest sons, his nephew Louis Crevier (his mother's godson), Nicolas Gastineau Duplessis and Jacques Maugras (one of his sister's husbands). Twenty Sokoki and five Algonquin Indians were also in the party. After many successes François and his sons became feared raiders. Through a death in his wife's family, François inherited the seigneury of Chambly on 11 Oct. 1694. The governors of New France first requested letters of nobility for François in 1689. It was the beginning of a battle with the government in Paris that stretched over a quarter century; Finally, in 1716, the honor, with all of its associated privileges, was bestowed on François. He died on 31 May 1722 in Boucherville, Québec.
  • MARIE MADELEINE HERTEL was born on 9 Feb 1645 in Trois-Rivières, Québec. On 29 Oct 1658 she married Louis Pinard (1636-1695) in Trois-Rivières, Québec. Children: Marie-François (1664-1743), Claude (b. 1666), Antoine (b. 1668), Louis (b. 1669), Angelique (1677-1732), Madeleine (b. 1679) and Marguerite Pinard (b. 1671). Pinard became prominent in the small community, being one of the syndics, a churchwarden, and church procurator. She died in 1679 in Champlain, Québec.
  • MARGUERITE HERTEL was born on 26 Aug 1649 in Trois-Rivières, Québec. Her father died when she was just two. The next year Trois-Rivières was attacked by the Iroquois and half the settlement was killed. On 26 Nov 1663 she married Jean Crevier de Saint-François (1642-1693) at Trois-Rivières. Children: Joseph (b. 1667), Louis (1669-1690), Jean-Baptiste-Rene (b. 1679), Marguerite (1683-1742), and Marie Anne Crevier (b. 1690). She died on 26 Dec 1711 in Saint-François-du-Lac, Québec.

  • Moral
       Just as life was looking up for Marie, a series of tragedies befell her family. François Marguerie drowned when his canoe overturned in the Saint Lawrence River off Trois-Rivières on 23 May 1648. Marie and Jacques had another daughter, Marguerite, on 26 Aug 1649, but then Jacques died in an accident of an unknown nature on 10 Aug 1651. War broke out with the Iroquois a year later, leading to the near-destruction of the settlement, with half the population killed. Marie and her children would need to find a way to survive.
       Not surprisingly, she turned to a soldier in the "mobile patrol," named QUENTIN MORAL who could provide for and protect her children. Moral was born in a village called St. Quentin in Lorraine, France in about 1620. Always ambitious, he sailed to "New France" (Canada) to make his fortune, but his exact arrival date is unknown (probably around 1645). Between the years 1648-51, he was among forty or so colonists who established homesteads at Trois-Rivières. Quentin was a soldier in the "mobile patrol" in 1651.
       Marie was quite a catch on the frontier. Not only had she been raised by a higher class in France, she also inherited land on the island called l'Île de la Trinité from François, which would raise Quentin's status in the town as well. After the Moral-Marguerie marriage, the island was renamed l'Île Saint-Quentin. Marie Marguerie brought three young children to the marriage, aged 3 to 10, along with the land. She bore Quentin four daughters:

    CHILDREN OF QUENTIN MORAL AND MARIE MARGUERIE

  • MARIE-JEANNE MORAL was born in 1653 in Trois-Rivières, Québec. She was the first of four daughters of Quentin Moral and Marie Marguerie. Quentin also saw that his daughters would marry well and that their husbands were provided with adequate dowries in terms of land and titles. In late 1667 Marie-Jeanne was married to Jacques Maugras (1639-1690) at the age of 15. Children: Marie-Jeanne (1668-1755), Marguerite (1674-1746), Madeliene (1685-1740), and Marie-François Maugras (1688-1688). Maugras and Marie's sisters' husbands would eventually move to Saint-François-du-Lac,³ the settlement founded by Marthe's step-brother-in-law, Jean Crevier. She died on 20 Jan 1714 in Saint-François-du-Lac, Yamaska, Québec.
  • MARIE-THERESE MORAL was born on 31 Oct 1655 in Trois-Rivières, Québec. At age 26, she was married to Etienne Grandmenil Degrammenil Veron, a fur trader of some means, at 30 May 1677 at Trois-Rivières, Québec. Veron had also been born in the raw frontier post of Trois-Rivières. At age three his father was killed by Iroquois. His mother remarried the noted explorer Medard Chouart. However his new stepfather applied severe corporal punishment to the headstrong Veron—and he was then entrusted to a guardian at a cost of 20 livres a year. When Veron was older, he was sent to the Jesuits for education and discipline. At the age of 18 he was back living with his mother—the stepfather evidently being away on the fur trade. He had prospered enough by age 28 to marry Marie-Therese, which truly put him in the upper ranks of the small society of Trois-Rivières. Veron was of high enough rank to be one of twenty at Trois Rivieres who met to fix the price of beaver furs that year. Children: Etienne (1679-1743), Marguerite (1678-1748), Veronique (1682-1711), Marie Madeleine (1684-1760), Marie Renee (1687-1704), Therese (1689-1710), Marie Jean (1695-1756), and Louise François Grandmenil Veron (b. 1697). Marie-Therese died on 7 Apr 1734 in Trois-Rivières, Mauricie Region, Québec.
  • MARIE-GERTRUDE MORAL was born on 22 Mar 1658 in Trois-Rivières, Québec. She was 18 when she married JACQUES LOUIS JOUIEL on 10 November 1676 at Trois-Rivières. It is speculated that Marie's mother, Marie Marguerie, had objected to the union, possibly believing her daughter was marrying beneath her station to a man who was interested in her potential wealth. In the marriage contract of 2 November it was recorded that the husband brought 1500 livres to the marriage, while the bride brought 600 livres (the dowry from her father), and the title of Lady, which she inherited from her mother. The contract was witnessed by several relatives and friends: Louis Godefroy, attorney of the King at Trois-Rivières, and one of the co-founders of the place together with Marie's first husband, Jacques Hertel; Etienne de Tonnancourt; Jacques de Labadie, Sergeant of the garrison of Trois-Rivières; Joseph Petit; and Jean Crevier, Jacques' future brother-in-law, and Seur of Saint-François-du-Lac, Québec. Jacques Jouiel was born around 1640 in Perigord, Dordogne, France (the place gave its name to a Paleolithic cultural phase - the Perigordian - which is a remote connection to the mtdna roots of his wife). His father was Etienne Joyel, master gunsmith, and his mother Suzanne Massau, from nearby Bergerac. Children: Gertrude (1681-1732), Jean (b. 1683), MARIE-JOSEPHE (b. 1690), François (1691-1761), Joseph (b. 1694), and Antoine Joyelle (b. 1696). By 1685, Jacques, Marie-Gertrude and family were settled in at Saint-François-du-Lac with her brother Jean Crevier. In 1690, daughter Josephette was baptized there. The baptisms of his children in 1694 and 1696 had to be conducted in Sorel since the church in Saint-François was destroyed in a raid by the Iroquois during which Jean Crevier was captured. (He was tortured, ransomed, but died of his wounds.) On the 4 July 1698, Jacques' sons Jacques and Jean were granted some land in Saint-François-du-Lac by their uncle's son. The Joyel family became well established there. Jacques died at the age of 76 on 26 March 1716. Marie Gertrude Moral du St. Quentin survived him by twenty years, dying at age 78 at Saint-François-du-Lac on 28 August 1736. Her burial record is at right (SOURCE: Gabriel Drouin, comp. Drouin Collection. Montréal, Québec, Canada: Institut Généalogique Drouin²).
  • MARIE-MARTHE MORAL was born on 1 Jan 1661 in Trois-Rivières, Québec. Marie Marthe Moral was married on 23 Nov 1682, at the age of 21, to Antoine Dubois, who was in his thirties. Nothing appears to be known of his birthplace or profession. Children: Marguerite (1685-1737), Antoine (b. 1683), Marie-Louise (b. 1687), Anne (b. 1689), Marie Charlotte (b. 1691) and Marie Claude Dubois (b. 1693). Quentin Moral had already engineered a complex land swap whereby Marthe's brother-in-law, Joyelle, moved to Saint-François-du-Lac, whereby Dubois obtained a property there, despite his evident inability to pay. Marie Marthe's family would join those of her sisters in Saint-François-du-Lac, and spend the balance of their lives there. She died on 18 Jan 1712 in Saint-François-du-Lac, Yamaska, Québec.
  •    In 1666 the first census was made of New France at the end of July, and Trois-Rivières had a population of 602, Montréal 760 and Québec 2,857, for a total of 4,219 people in Canada. The average age of the habitants of the Trois-Rivières region was approximately 13 years old. (Source: La population du Canada en 1666 by Marcel Trudel and published by Les éditions du Septentrion, Sillery [Québec], PQ, Canada). The Moral household at that point in time consisted of: "Quentin Moral sieur de Saint-Quentin, 44, habitant ; Marie Marguerie, 40, sa femme; Jeanne, 13 ; Marie, 10 ; Gertrude, 8 ; Marthe, 5 ; Robert Henry, 20, et Nicolas Dupuis, 24, domestiques". Marie's daughters by Jacques Hertel had already married and left the house. Trois-Rivieres and adjacent districts had grown in 20 years from a handful of settlers to a village of 69 families and 455 souls. However the town itself still consisted of only about two dozen households and less than a hundred Europeans. (Source: website Alberta Family Histories Society)
       Marie Marguerie saw to it that her children received good educations. Her daughters by Quentin were educated at the Ursuline convent established just across the street from the Hertel house. Meanwhile, Quentin adopted the style 'Sieur de St-Quentin' and kept the family income up by selling Marie's inheritance from her first husband to newcomers to the New World. He also served in the military Royal Lieutenant in Canada on 22 Dec. 1650; the Lieutenant civil et criminel du Roi habitant in 1666; and juge prévôt et lieutenenant civil et criminel (provost judge). On 17 Nov 1663, he was appointed royal notary but does not seem to have taken up the office, which was entrusted a year later to Séverin Ameau.
       In 1669, Quentin Moral made a concession of 3 arpents of land to Antoine Desrosiers in Trois-Rivières. At the time, Quentin Moral was seigneur of the property, 'L'Arbre-à-la-Croix' in Trois-Rivières.
       Quentin Moral died in Trois-Rivières in 1686, but Marie Marguerie outlived him by 14 years, and on the day of her funeral the Recollect priest of the parish of Trois-Rivières, Luc Filastre, eulogized: "Today, November 26, 1700, Marie Marguerie, widow of the late St Quentin was buried. She died fortified by the rites of the Church and with every sign of extraordinary devotion, having lived for more than fifty years in the service of all in this town, their constant helpmate in time of need, showing incomparable charity and zeal, she worked for the Church performing the duties of the sacristy, and caring for the Church appointments incomparably well. She was buried, according to her wish, next to the body of M. Hertel, her first husband."
       They are all buried at the Immaculée-Conception-de-la-Sainte-Vierge Cemetery in Trois-Rivières, Mauricie Region, Québec.

    GENEALOGY

    FRANÇOIS MARGUERIE (1590-1645) married MARTHE ROMAIN (1589-1645) and begat...

    MARIE MARGUERIE (1620-1700), who married QUENTIN MORAL (1622-1686) and begat...

    MARIE-GERTRUDE MORAL (b. 22 Mar 1658), who married JACQUES JOUIEL (JOYAL) and begat...

    MARIE JOSEPHE JOUIEL (JOYAL), who married PIERRE ABRAHAM DESMARAIS (b. 1691) and begat...

    JEAN-BAPTISTE DESMARAIS (15 Nov 1728 - 12 Oct 1807) married MARIE ANGELIQUE ROY (b. 16 Mar 1734) and begat...

    MARIE JOSEPHE DEMARAIS (b. 1762), who married ROBERT STOTT (20 Feb 1761 - 2 Apr 1836) and begat...

    MARY STOTT (b. 1783), who married JOSHUA S. MANNING (8 Dec 1782 - 26 Aug 1848) and begat...

    SARAH AGATHE MANNING (05 Aug 1810 - 19 Jul 1855), who married JULIUS ALBERT RAYMOND (24 Jun 1818 - 21 Feb 1879) and begat...

    ALBERT JULIUS RAYMOND (1848 - 1924), who married LOIS MATILDA KILBOURNE (1851 - 1937) and begat...

    FLADELLA RAYMOND (1869 - 1961) who married FRANK HAUSE (1867 - 1951) and begat...

    CARLISLE HAUSE (1891 - 1972) who married MARJORIE MARCHANT (1892 - 1939) who begat...

    CARLETON MARCHANT HAUSE, SR. (1917 - 1983) who married JEANNE BRUNNER (1918 - 2000) and begat...

    CARLETON MARCHANT HAUSE, JR. (b. 1939) who married MARTHA WENK (b. 1940) and begat...

    JEFF (who married LORI ANN DOTSON), KATHY (who married HAL LARSEN), ERIC (who married MARY MOONSAMMY), and MICHELE HAUSE (who married JOHN SCOTT HOUSTON).

    NOTES

    ¹—Based on present evidence, 140,000 people in the United States, and many times that number in Canada, are direct matrilineal descendants of Marie Marguerie, the founder of the 'Marie W' haplotype lineage in the Americas. Marie has been identified as one of 262 Filles a Marier or "marriageable girls" who emigrated to New France between 1634 and 1663. They were recruited by religious groups or reputable persons who had to guarantee their good conduct. Most were from rural peasant families. Unlike the later Filles du Roi who emigrated after 1663, the Filles a Marier were not recruited by the state; did not receive a dowry from the King; and were promised nothing but the possibility of a better life. However Marie's story was not that of a typical Filles a Marier, and aside from the date of her migration to Canada, she probably does not fit into this category. Her father was a man of substance, a bourgeoisie, an oar maker and maritime merchant in Rouen. Given the fates of his children, it is likely her father was a member of the Compagnie des Marchands de Rouen et de Saint-Malo, formed by Samuel Champlain in 1614 to colonize Québec and corner the American fur trade. Marie's brother François had already gone to Canada and his exploits were legendary. He was regarded by the First Nations as the European who had most thoroughly learned their language and customs—they called him the 'double man'—he could pass as European or Indigenous. (The Descendants of Marie Marguerie; W3a2 Haplogroup HVR1)

    ²—Until the late 1900s, church registers in Quebec served as civil and vital records in that province. Throughout the years a second copy of church records, from all denominations, was sent annually to the appropriate courthouse. During the 1940s the vital record collections in courthouses throughout Quebec were filmed by the Institut Généalogique Drouin. The filming of vital records continued for some areas up through the 1960s. Consequently, this filmed set of records became known as the Drouin Collection. The majority of the records in this database cover the time period 1621-1947, as most of the filming was done in the 1940s. The records that were filmed up through the 1960s are also included in this database, although they are very few in number. These records that were filmed later cover the years 1948-1967.

    ³—Saint-François-du-Lac is a community in the Nicolet-Yamaska Regional County Municipality of Québec, Canada, located at the confluence of the Saint Lawrence and Saint-François rivers, at the edge of Lac Saint-Pierre (Hence its name, "Saint-Francis of the lake"). Historically, the village of Saint-François-du-Lac has been referred to as St-François, St-François-des-Pres, and St-François-Xavier. It was founded as a Jesuit mission village during the colonial years. The community was called St.-François-de-Sales or Odanak. In 1687, construction of Fort Saint-François (or Fort Crevier), a wooden fortified fort, was started as protection against the Iroquois. Between 1689 and 1693, Fort Crevier was raided by the Iroquois and suffered significant damage, having to be rebuilt. Soon Indians from the community, which included refugees from wars with English colonists, participated in many raids, some of them organized and led by French military men, against English colonial settlements in New England in the aftermath of King Philip's War.)

    TOP IMAGE: An anonymous painter envisions the royal entry of Henry II in Rouen, on 1 October 1550, modeled on the ancient Roman triumph and specifically compared to Pompey's third triumph of 61 BC at Rome: "No less pleasing and delectable than the third triumph of Pompey... magnificent in riches and abounding in the spoils of foreign nations."

    COUSINS, COLLABORATORS & CO-CONSPIRATORS...

  • CHERRI LYNN STOCKING is the wife of WILLIAM ALAN TIMMER, who is my 5th cousin 1x removed, by way of Sarah Agathe Manning's sister, Belmira Manning. "Bell" married Henry Yager and had a son, Lyman Nelson Yager who married Alice Amelia Vandeventer. Their daughter, Violet G Yager, married David John Finnerty and they had Olivette Marie Finnerty. Both of Olivette's parents died only one day apart, so she and her siblings (except for the eldest son) were all adopted by different families. Olivette then married John Wendel Timmer and had David John Timmer, who married Carol Ann Ross, they had William Alan Timmer. Cherri, who compiled much of this research, grew up in Lansing, Michigan and has been working on genealogy for 20 years. She discovered two seemingly forgotten daughters of Joshua Manning: Mary and Martha, who both married Leonard T. Tibbits! (Mary was first, then Martha.) I guess the similarity of the names (and obviously, the husband) just made people assume it was the same person. Cherri also recently disproved a beloved "Indian princess" myth in her own family genealogy, confirmed by overseas research and DNA testing, and of course angering her entire bloodline. I've been there Cherri—I feel your pain!